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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:46 am

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merlynsam wrote:I think you have something there KJ. However, Shannon isn't back home as far as I understand - she and her mother were allowed to have a meeting.

The newspaper reported that they were allowed to have a meeting now because the initial police questioning has been completed. Hmmmm.....I think I go along with your suggestion - the step-dad is locked up so the Mum and Shannon can be allowed to speak without it prejudicing the investigation.

Did you notice that he didn't apply for bail because he could not supply an address?

But should we take some good news from this? Surely, the police must think that Karen Matthews has nothing to do with the child pornography issue. (Apparently, she had her own computer and Craig Meehan had his which the children were not allowed to use.)

Oh, didn't know he couldn't supply an address...... Shocked

I wonder if Karen Matthews has seen the light?
Awful for all the kids concerned though, including Meehan's own two year old daughter. Sad
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:47 am

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Pam - you are right!

The images were found on two computers recovered from Meehan’s address in Dewsbury Moor.

(...)

Detectives are said to have uncovered the images of children being abused after checking two computers owned by Craig and Karen.

The PCs were seized just hours after nine-year-old Shannon vanished on her way home from school on February 19.

Sources claimed the images found on Meehan’s machine were “on the more serious end of the child pornography scale”.

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Lots of people use Karen and Craig’s computers. They have one each and I have used Craig’s quite a bit for the internet.

“I’ve seen other people using their computers, too. There are not that many people around here with the internet.


Now, if the police seized the PCs just hours after Shannon went missing, how did the newspaper get this photograph?

SHANNON MATTHEWS 9 - Dewsbury, Yorkshire (UK) - 19/02/08 - Page 18 N4a4pv

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article993299.ece
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:47 am

I think that photo is a video still from the Shannon documentry!


From memory one of the children was on that computer in the corner of the living room when ITV(?) gave the family a camcorder to film the family celebrations inside the house after Shannon was found!

I wonder how many computers they have then?
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:48 am

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Thanks Twiglet - so this computer was not one of the ones seized by the police.

I wonder if this is one that the children are allowed to use (for homework). Oh - just another mystery!
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:49 am

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merlynsam wrote:Thanks Twiglet - so this computer was not one of the ones seized by the police.

I wonder if this is one that the children are allowed to use (for homework). Oh - just another mystery!

Not being rude here, but this is a poor area and people don't have a lot of money. In fact it was said that others had access to the pc that child porn was found on, because not many people have internet access in the area.

To have more than one pc is quite unthinkable to me if money is so tight.
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:49 am

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Tezza wrote:
merlynsam wrote:Thanks Twiglet - so this computer was not one of the ones seized by the police.

I wonder if this is one that the children are allowed to use (for homework). Oh - just another mystery!

Not being rude here, but this is a poor area and people don't have a lot of money. In fact it was said that others had access to the pc that child porn was found on, because not many people have internet access in the area.

To have more than one pc is quite unthinkable to me if money is so tight.

Glad you said that Tezza :-D

I'd thought exactly the same thing. Not only do they have two computers but they run a car as well.
He's usually described as a fishmonger isn't he? Are they both in work?
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:50 am

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Good question KJ, maybe Mum does work or benefits for that many children has helped a lot. I so feel for these kids.
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:51 am

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I know what you are saying - I was trying not to jump to conclusions. The other thing is though that the "Police have also carried out routine checks on computers owned by relatives, neighbours and pals" so there are more computers around. They might not have internet access but they could purchase disks and download them to the hard-drive.

(See - I have ended up thinking about the possibilities. Just tell me to wait for the news!)
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:51 am

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merlynsam wrote:Tezza

I know what you are saying - I was trying not to jump to conclusions. The other thing is though that the "Police have also carried out routine checks on computers owned by relatives, neighbours and pals" so there are more computers around. They might not have internet access but they could purchase disks and download them to the hard-drive.

(See - I have ended up thinking about the possibilities. Just tell me to wait for the news!)

This is what makes me wonder.
If so many had access to the pc, how can they charge him?

Or is this just what he is saying?
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:52 am

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Tezza wrote:
merlynsam wrote:Tezza

I know what you are saying - I was trying not to jump to conclusions. The other thing is though that the "Police have also carried out routine checks on computers owned by relatives, neighbours and pals" so there are more computers around. They might not have internet access but they could purchase disks and download them to the hard-drive.

(See - I have ended up thinking about the possibilities. Just tell me to wait for the news!)

This is what makes me wonder.
If so many had access to the pc, how can they charge him?

Or is this just what he is saying?

Maybe he'd put a password on, something obvious like his daughter's name which led them to him?
Still doesn't make it certain it was him using it but I'm sure the police have other things to go on.
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:53 am

But it has been reported that he had a few passwords on his pc, why have passwords if you are going to dish then out to every Tom, Dick and Harry!

He also had a password on his email, surely anyone using his computer would have their own email addy so as not to be reading his personal emails while on his PC?
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:53 am

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Tezza wrote:
merlynsam wrote:Tezza

I know what you are saying - I was trying not to jump to conclusions. The other thing is though that the "Police have also carried out routine checks on computers owned by relatives, neighbours and pals" so there are more computers around. They might not have internet access but they could purchase disks and download them to the hard-drive.

(See - I have ended up thinking about the possibilities. Just tell me to wait for the news!)

This is what makes me wonder.
If so many had access to the pc, how can they charge him?

Or is this just what he is saying?

Maybe he'd put a password on, something obvious like his daughter's name which led them to him?
Still doesn't make it certain it was him using it but I'm sure the police have other things to go on.

Well the article said that his computer is protected by a number of passwords and the child porn was hidden behind a screen image of Dog's (the Bounty Hunter) daughter.

The police will, of course, have to establish that he used the computer at the appropriate times - but they have charged him with 10 (or 11) offences already. I don't think he will have a particularly peaceful time in prison. They don't like people who commit crimes against children.
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:54 am

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The whole thing is just awful and complex. They'll be sourcing those victims too if possible. I did question how he could afford to download them but then again I haven't a clue and don't really want to know how much these things cost really.
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:55 am

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From The Mail online

The mother of Shannon Matthews was said to be distraught last night after it emerged that three of her other children are being looked after by social services.

Karen Matthews, 32, who has seven children by five different fathers, was believed to be staying in a "safe house" after the disclosure.


"She's absolutely devastated," a friend said yesterday
"She lost Shannon for 24 days and now this. She's in pieces and I don't think she can cope with much more."

The dramatic development came as Miss Matthews's 22-year-old boyfriend, Craig Meehan, appeared in court accused of possessing 130 indecent images of children.

The supermarket fishmonger was yesterday remanded behind bars for "his own protection" at the end of an 11-minute court hearing, having declined to make a bail application.


Friends of Miss Matthews said they believed she had ended her relationship with Meehan.


Detectives found the images after seizing two computers from the home Meehan shared with Shannon and her mother in Dewsbury Moor, West Yorkshire, on February 20, the court heard.
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:55 am

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Tamsin wrote:From The Mail online

The mother of Shannon Matthews was said to be distraught last night after it emerged that three of her other children are being looked after by social services.

Karen Matthews, 32, who has seven children by five different fathers, was believed to be staying in a "safe house" after the disclosure.


"She's absolutely devastated," a friend said yesterday
"She lost Shannon for 24 days and now this. She's in pieces and I don't think she can cope with much more."

The dramatic development came as Miss Matthews's 22-year-old boyfriend, Craig Meehan, appeared in court accused of possessing 130 indecent images of children.

The supermarket fishmonger was yesterday remanded behind bars for "his own protection" at the end of an 11-minute court hearing, having declined to make a bail application.


Friends of Miss Matthews said they believed she had ended her relationship with Meehan.


Detectives found the images after seizing two computers from the home Meehan shared with Shannon and her mother in Dewsbury Moor, West Yorkshire, on February 20, the court heard.

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This really is a shocking time for Karen Matthews. But I'm sure her children haven't been having an easy time of it either.
I'm more concerned for them. As children they will just know that life as they know it has changed beyond measure. Mind you that might not be a bad thing either.

And I hope Craig Meehan DOES have a hard time of it in prison. If the law doesn't deal with those dealing in such disgusting and evil then society will. And that's not an avenue we want to go down.
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:56 am

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I'm not surprised by this but how do you pick 3 out of 7 children?
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:57 am

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I don't think all 7 lived at home with her, I think only 4 did.
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:57 am

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Oh really Kaz? Where are the others? How complex a life for them!
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:58 am

I think I read somewhere that the other boy and girl mentioned below also live with their natural father(s).




Karen's current partner, Craig Meehan, is the father of her youngest child.
Shannon's real father is Leon Rose, who lives 10 miles away in Huddersfield.

When Karen and Leon were together, they had two children - Shannon and her older brother, who now lives with his father in Huddersfield.

Of Karen's seven children, four live with her and three - two boys and a girl - live elsewhere.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7302254.stm
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:59 am

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Thanks for that twiggy. It is quite complex then.
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:59 am

So difficult for all the children involved!!
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:59 am

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New ordeal for Shannon's mother as three of her children are taken into care

Daily Mail
By PAUL SIMS and JAMES TOZER
Last updated at 11:33am on 4th April 2008

The mother of Shannon Matthews was said to be distraught last night after it emerged that three of her other children are being looked after by social services.

Karen Matthews, 32, who has seven children by five different fathers, was believed to be staying in a "safe house" after the disclosure.

"She's absolutely devastated," a friend said yesterday. She lost Shannon for 24 days and now this. She's in pieces and I don't think she can cope with much more."

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She hasn't told him face to face but I think he will assume anyway. We are all sticking by her and want people to know that they shouldn't take their anger out on Karen.

"She had absolutely no idea and no one should blame her."

Miss Matthews's neighbour, Peter Brown, 34, said: "The mood has changed big time over the last day or so. It's really taken a turn for the worse.

"I don't think we'll be seeing Craig round here for some time. As we understand it Karen is now in a safe house.

"The children have had nowhere else to go so they are being looked after elsewhere. It's really awful."

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http://tinyurl.com/2jw7pa

The remaining three children that lived with Craig and Karen have now been taken into care and Karen has gone into hiding at a safehouse.

A very sad situation but I hope the social services and family liasons people work together with the family.
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:00 am

The children are the most important ones in this case now and I hope social services does what's right for them whether it be back with their mother with lots of help to hand or whether it be with new families that will show them love and understanding!! They had no choice in all of this, Karen did, she chose to bring all these men into her childrens lives, I just wish that she had been strong enough to know that she could have had a very different life with her children, without the need for a man in her life!
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:01 am

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twiglet wrote:The children are the most important ones in this case now and I hope social services does what's right for them whether it be back with their mother with lots of help to hand or whether it be with new families that will show them love and understanding!! They had no choice in all of this, Karen did, she chose to bring all these men into her childrens lives, I just wish that she had been strong enough to know that she could have had a very different life with her children, without the need for a man in her life!

Agree with every word.

Let's hope now that this has been a wake up call for Karen Matthews and all concerned work to get this family back together. IF that's what is in the children's best interests.

Two women have now been arrested in this case, one 45, one 25 and both related to Craig Meehan.
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Post  Twiglet Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:02 am

Just found the report!

The plot thickens!

SKY NEWS

Friday April 04, 2008
Updated:16:29

More Arrests In Missing Shannon Case

Police investigating the alleged abduction of Shannon Matthews have arrested two women from Dewsbury, West Yorkshire.
Shannon MatthewsA 25-year-old, named as Amanda Hyett, has been arrested on suspicion of assisting an offender and a 49-year-old, named as Alice Meehan, has been arrested on suspicion of perverting the course of justice.

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http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1311846,00.html
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